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MAC Venomous Villains: Evil Queen Review, Photos, Swatches

MAC Venomous Villains - Evil Queen

MAC Disney Venomous Villains Collection: Evil Queen Review, Photos, Swatches

Next up, we have the Evil Queen from Snow White. The Evil Queen’s “collection” includes two lipsticks, two lipglasses, three eyeshadows, one beauty powder, and one blush.

All of the character images are stamped on the products; they are not stickers. You can find official promotional imagery and color descriptions here. The collection launches on September 30th, 2010 at all MAC locations, October 2010 internationally, and approximately September 28th for online. You may also want to check your local store to see if they are holding an unveiling/preview party for the collection.

Lipglass ($15.50 U.S. / $18.50 CDN)

  • Strange Potion is a lightly pink shimmered, soft pinky-coral that’s semi-opaque in coverage. This is a really beautiful shade of gloss–I can’t think of anything quite like it that MAC has put out. Very flattering on both cool and warm-toned skin.
  • Hot House is a deep fuchsia-berry with iridescent fuchsia-purple shimmer. It applies and looks semi-opaque on lips. It originally was released in Strange Hybrid.

Lipstick ($15.50 U.S. / $18.50 CDN)

  • Sinister is a semi-sheer brown with pinky-plum shimmer. It looks better on the lips than as a swatch. This has a lustre finish.
  • Toxic Tale is a bright, opaque shade of nearly neon coral with an orange lean. Reminds me of Illamasqua Mistress, but in a lipstick form. Very, very pigmented–creamy but not slippery. This has a satin finish.

Eyeshadow ($15.50 U.S. / $18.50 CDN)

  • Her Alter Image is a cool-toned icy, pale lilac with a veluxe pearl finish. It’s pigmented and purpler than Beautiful Iris, but it’s similar.
  • Vile Violet is a darkened cool-toned violet with muted blue tones. This has a matte finish.
  • Vainglorious is a bronzed burgundy with a frost finish. It’s similar to Cranberry, except a little browner, and it’s a bit darker and more burgundy than Star Violet–but it’s closest to Star Violet.

Blush ($19.50 U.S. / $23.50 CDN)

  • Bite of an Apple is a brightened coral-pink blush that can really pack a punch!  Very opaque, though it is blendable.  This has a matte finish.

Beauty Powder ($25.00 U.S. / $30.00 CDN)

  • Oh So Fair is a soft, petal pink with subtle shimmer-sheen. It’s sheer and looks very, very subtle on my medium skin tone. I wouldn’t recommend this shade for darker skin tones, because I think it would have a tendency to turn ashy.

See more photos and swatches!

Please note: As a press event attendee, I received samples of the full collection packaged in a “tower” with four boxes (one for each character), and as far as I know, it’s press packaging — therefore not something you will see or be able to purchase in-store.

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Lipglass: Strange Potion, Hot House

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Eyeshadow

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Beautiful Iris (left), Her Alter Image (right)

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MAC Vile Violet Eyeshadow

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Star Violet (left), Vainglorious (middle), Cranberry (right)

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Eyeshadow:  Her Alter Image, Vile Violet, Vainglorious

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MAC Bite of an Apple Blush

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MAC Oh So Fair Beauty Powder

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Wearing MAC Oh So Fair Beauty Powder

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Ellery Cushing Avatar

This looks gorgeous! Sadly I can’t afford any of it, I just got braces yesterday that my insurance won’t cover.
Toxic Tale looks gorgeous, as does Bite of Apple.
I hope they do a Disney Princesses collection now, although the villains are much more exciting.

cmferrets Avatar

yeah i wonder christine… do u think u can do some photots of some of the lip combos from this collection, so we can see what they look like layered?-thanx!

Claudia Avatar

Hi Christine, thanks so much for this stunning preview !! I wonder how you felt having all this info and having to wait to disclose it !! I never felt so happy to be at home on a saturday night ! lol ! I wasnt really impressed with this collection but after your swatches, I want everything ! I read on spektra that vegas volt could be a dupe for toxic tale, but I really don’t think so, what do you think ? Once again, thanks !

Lowie Avatar

The bite of an apple blush looks amazing on you! sooo pretty. i loved the video you took and after they introduced the oh so fair beauty powder as the perfect blush for fairer skin tones i knew i had to have it. can’t wait until this collection is launched i’m SO excited! i also love the toxic tale lip color. it’s so bright and fun for fall!

Emily Avatar

Are the purples anything like Memoribilla from Pret-a-papier? or Crazy Cool from Dare to Ware? I love those purples/lavenders but I always end up with so many! I just don’t want more dupes…but if they really are different I’ll get ’em. =)

Amelie Avatar

Oh wow…
Strange Potion is absolutely beautiful! Love at first sight ^^ It makes your lips look so glowy and pretty! I’ve never bought a MAC lipglass (my collection of MAC products is fairly tiny: one concealer, one foundation, one blush, one eyeliner, one eyeshadow, three lipsticks xD) because they always seemed quite dupeable and not really worth the $35 they are here in Australia.
I hope Strange Potion is put in your recommendations for fair skins 😀

Ashley Avatar

What’s the color payoff of Vile Violet like? It looks smooth and bold in the swatch, but does it apply that way? I’m curious about the pigmentation and blend-ability.

Rachel Avatar

Toxic Tale is lovely. Bite of an apple is pretty, but I tend to stick to one blush, so I can’t really justify buying it. I love all the e/s. Purple is one of my favorite colors in general; I just don’t wear it in eyeshadow.

Jackie Avatar

hmm, i dunno.. do you think “Oh So Fair” Beauty Powder is close enough to “Pearl Blossom” Beauty Powder from the Barbie collection that i can skip it?
it looks like the only difference is that Oh So Fair is pinker and a bit more pigmented /shrug

Vickie Avatar

im loving the lipglosses in this section! im so getting 2 strange potions!

btw christine, ive been meaning to ask you were do you buy the disposable lipgloss applicators? ive been trying to find them in bulk but i dont know which sites to trust.

effie Avatar

I was a little worried about Toxic Tale looking too similar to Coral Polyp from the Dame Edna collection, which would make it hard for me to justify buying it, but seeing your swatches side by side, I am now reassured that they are different enough.
I do have to say, it looks like they didn’t really have a lot of creative freedom with the packaging- they look as though they took a bunch of Disney stickers and slapped them on the products. I guess Disney characters have crazy copyrights attached to them, so there provably wasn’t a lot of space to maneuver… I just wish they could give then their own unique MAC twist.

Dawn Avatar

Hot House and Oh So Fair are absolutely musts for me. I love the eyeshadows too, but have very similar colours (Beautiful Iris, Crazy Cool, Cranberry and various purples/violets) so can’t really justify getting them. Is Vile Violet a dupe for any other MAC colour, or is it different enough to make it worth buying, would you say?

This packaging is actually growing on me. I really like the Bite Of An Apple packaging, but the colour is far too bright for me – I fear it would look clownish

Sandrine Avatar

Ohhh! Loved strange potion and toxic tale after reading the color descriptions a few months back, but seeing these swatches makes me want them even more. I also love vainglorious and bite of an apple. Oh, my poor wallet… and I haven’t seen Maleficent’s and Dr. Facilier’s yet.

Christine you look lovely wearing these shades especially the blush.

Christine Avatar

I find this darker and brighter than Vegas Volt, definitely pinker. Like I didn’t make the comparison because I don’t find them close, lol!

Here is my swatch of Vegas Volt – http://www.temptalia.com/the-summer-season-mac-vegas-volt-lipstick

daphne Avatar

If I have Chanel Genial lipstick, is Toxic Tale too close to bother with? Because I’m looking at it going “yeaaaaaah!” but then I realized it might look really similar. (Not a dupe, but close enough.)

I didn’t see anything I wanted from the Cruella group except maybe the beauty powder but I’m loving this bunch…one or both lipglasses, Vile Violet eyeshadow, the blush, maybe Toxic Tale…really awesome group.

daphne Avatar

Okay, interesting! In your photos Genial looks fairly similar except lighter, and it’s much brighter on me than it was in your photos. I guess I will have to remember to bring Genial with me when I shop this collection to make my choice…I’m LOVING Toxic Tale though so we’ll see! 🙂 Thank you!

Michilicious ~ Avatar

Ugh, why can’t MAC release one collection at a time!?
I want the lip glosses, the lipsticks, Her Alter Image and Vanglorious eye shadow, the blush, AND the beauty powder! Seriously, all products exept one eye shadow T.T”

Ashley Avatar

Christine, you look absolutely gorgeous in these pictures! Bite of an Apple looks amazing on you, and the last picture of you is especially lovely! The colors from most of the collection seem just totally made for you!

On another comment you said that Memorabilia might be close to Vile Violet, but would you say that Vile Violet is more pigmented and easier to work with? I remember so many people said not to get Memorabilia because it was tough to work with and I believe you said the same, but Vile Violet looks really pigmented in your swatch. And of course, it’s a gorgeous color! It will most likely replace my lemming for Poison Pen that is no where to be found, even though I’ve heard it’s not a dupe. But anyways, your opinion?

Christine Avatar

Thanks 🙂

Vile Violet is very pigmented and creamier/smoother than a lot of matte shades! Poison Pen and Vile Violet are similar, though I’d say Vile Violet is lighter and a lil’ brighter, but it’s a good replacement if you can’t find Poison Pen (but Indian Ink is also similar, which is PRO).

Ashley Avatar

I’m thrilled to hear and see that Vile Violet is creamy and easy to use! I love matte eyeshadows, but I don’t seem to have the best luck with them except for Aromaleigh, and they’re closing 🙁

I’m eventually going to invest in all of Sugarpill’s pressed eyeshadows though, so I’m sure that will satisfy my matte craving!

Ashley Avatar

I was thrown off by this comment for a minute since we have the same name lol. I was like “Hey, I didn’t post that!”

So if I have Poison Pen should I pass on Vile Violet?

Kay Avatar

cant wait for this to come to the UK! evil queen is my favourite, i want both of the lipglasses, bite of an apple blush, and vainglorious eyeshadow the most 🙂

Jean Avatar

I thought I’d be all over Oh So Fair…but its too sheer for me. From this collection I’m looking at Strange Potion and debating on Hot House(i’ll have to check it out once i can see it personally)

Kristy Avatar

Strange Potion and Bite of an Apple are sooo pretty….
This might seem like a weird question, but how can I convince my mother to let me wear blush? She says I’m too young and that any face makeup is bad for me and will ruin my skin and enlarge my pores. :/

Glessie Avatar

Hot house and Toxic tale look fab-you-lus. Ahahah. Hot house would look gorgeous with louder please.

What eye look would you pair with toxic tale? Normally I wear nude lips with the dramatic eyes. But I want the more lip pop 😉 and do you think that if I didn’t like crosswires I should pass on toxic tale?

Ahaha but most definitely I will feet vile violet despite having all the purples already mentioned in the comments. I just love purple so much.

Thanks Christine 🙂

Cristalle Avatar

Hi christine! posted a reply yesterday but i cannot find it here. i dont know why. Just want to ask any close dupe of Bite of an apple blush ?! Its so pretty in the photos!!

Samantha Avatar

Maybelline Color Sensational lipstick in Coral Crush is another drugstore dupe. It might not be EXACTLY like Toxic Tale, but it’s very close. A high-end dupe is YSL Rouge Volupte in Rose Paris, which is a bit brighter and pinker than Coral Crush. All three shades are strikingly similar.

Annette Avatar

Samantha, thanks for the tip about coral crush! I was on the fence about Toxic Tale because while it is beautiful, it is really bright and I know it’s not color I would use very often. So, I picked up Coral Crush at Walmart today. It’s slightly different, maybe just a little bit pinker, but it’s close enough for me and it’s less than $5. 🙂

ceci Avatar

Hi Christine,
Brilliant swatches, absolutely love the detail on your site!
Just wondering, is Bite of an Apple very similar to Benefit Coralista? It looks quite similar in the pan.
Thanks!

Nikki Avatar

Maybe its just me, but going from $16.50 for a lipstick/gloss to $18.50 has just broke me of my MAC addiction. That’s just way too expensive. I can see a 50 cent increase, but $2 is just ridiculous.

Hayley Avatar

Ya I agree, but its only for this collection. But the price or going up a dollar in CND and 50 cents in the States in general for lip products 🙁

Renee Avatar

Christine – thanks so much for all of these swatches, so helpful! I must know what eyeshadows you are wearing in this set of photos, especially the vanilla colored one…gorgeous!

Jay Avatar

i cannot WAIT for this collection! for a subtle/natural fall look with a bold lip for an nc42/43 would you recommend by her own devices beauty powder,darkly my dear blush, or the oh so fair?
btw thanks for the swatches! I’ve already compiled my list!!

Hayley Avatar

Thanks so much for the swatches, as always :D. The colours all look wonderful on you!

Is it just me or is Toxic tale similar to Coral Polyp l/s and is Bite of an apple similar to Marine Life or Hipness? So sorry if this as been asked already 😛

Becca Avatar

Hey I was wondering if vainglorious is anything like cranberry or even sketch? Oh and do you know how long this collection lasts and whether it will be available at a free-standing mac store in a pan form? If it is, will it be cheaper than getting it in the pot?

thanks xox

Christine Avatar

Vainglorious is more like Star Violet. No limited edition items are available in pan form, and the collection may sell out in under a week while other pieces linger for a month or so – really just depends on how fast things sell and when MAC asks stores to send back any unsold stock.

jennylevi Avatar

Dear Christine,

Am interested in purchasing the this blush which it looks beautiful but my question to you is can this blush be a dupe color of marine life from mac to the beach collection?

Heather Avatar

Great photos here. Are you wearing Sinister in the photo with Oh So Fair? I’m debating on that one since you said it was something to pass on, but it looks great on you.

Lori Avatar

hi christine! just wondering if Vainglorious e/s is similar to MAC’s Trax e/s? i think i see purple in both?? thanks!! lovee ur site btw, its one of my daily favorites! =)

lea Avatar

does ” bite of an apple ” look like coralista from Benefit ? I really like this color but I dont want to have a almost same color as a blush 😀 does anyone know?

dhok Avatar

Hi Christine!!

Having already coral polyp lipstick…would you still buy toxic tale? i mean..they look rather similar to me seeing the swatches, but it is true that to compare 2 lipsticks you have to see them “face to face”. What do you think about it?

Looking forward your answer!! and yay!! your reviews are the most useful thing in the internet for make up addicts!

kasiaj85 Avatar

Hi! I’m wondering: I have BP in Shell Pearl. I’m Nc 15. Is Oh So Fair in any way similar? I’d have to decide upon one BP 😀 the choice is always so difficult.
Also, how would you compare Magnetique and Hot House? I see you have a picture in your lipglasses (products) section. They are pretty similar… Have you ever swatched them together. I have Magnetique and I’m wondering whether HH is necessary… 🙂

kasiaj85 Avatar

on your lips it leans towards a warm raspberrish type of magenta. Magnetique is kind of cool on my lips… Which is nice but I prefer warmer tones.

Rosana Sayuri Takaki Avatar

Is mocha similar to bite of an apple? anyway, I have springsheen,melba,mocha (haven’t received it yet),pinch o’peach, blushbaby,pink swoon, briar rose and bite of an apple. you looked really beautiful with oh so fair 🙂 I saw oh so fair on a e-shop for USD$60 because it’s special edition and venomous villains did not come to brazil 🙁 so considering all these blushes and beauty powder I have, is oh so fair that necessary to have that cute glow of yours or I could easily skip it? I paid 54dollars on bite of an apple and 40 on briar rose. Gosh, all the other blushes from permanent collection were no more than 20dollars but I couldn’t resist!
hugs from Brazil *^.^*

Lisa B Avatar

Magnetique is less sparkly than Hothouse, but the colors are virtually the same otherwise. I was cleaning out my makeup drawer and found Hothouse. Looks like its a re-release. Could not tell you if what part of a collection or something that was discontinued.

Sam Avatar

Do you think Oh So Fair would look good on fair skin with slight yellow undertones?… It looks so pretty, so I feel like I must get this when it comes out!

Kerri Avatar

Love everything you do Christine! Your swatches are so great and so helpful. I tried to read through all of them to make sure this wasn’t already asked.

How would you compare Oh So Fair to Alpha Girl? Just hit pan on Alpha Girl and it made me sad…hoping this might be similar! Thanks again, Temptalia is a lifesaver! 🙂

Joyce Avatar

hi, so i’m really wondering about getting hot house it looks beautiful on here, but my lips are pinker then yours and i’m kinda wondering wether the color will look good on me. For the color to come to it’s full effect what do you think works best? Like what kinda natural liptones will work?

Cha Avatar

hi, was kinda wondering if bite of an apple had any similarities to Joyous beauty powder blush. i love the color, i just know i happen to be attracted to pinky corals and tend to buy similar colors.

Livia Avatar

Hi Christine! I wanted to ask you, if MAC lipglasses were sticky? I’m not a huge lipgloss wearer and I managed to skip MAC’s lipglosses until now, but strange potion looks so pretty on you…I don’t know if it worth it… and I also wanted to know, do you think bite of an apple would look good on NC25ish (20-25) skin (I own MAC’s dollymix and well dressed & gentle which kinda look the same on me and ladyblush. Shall I got bite of an apple (I don’t want to be clownish nor too bright)or is there something better from the permanent collection you would reccomend for my skinshade?
THANK YOU very much! 🙂
Livia

Leah Avatar

hey i love the swatches. i pre ordered at my nordstroms. i ordered de- vil and on the same day i picked up antique and amber lights. is de-vil close to any of those colors? so should i still keep that in my order or is it not nessesary? lol im torn

chibu74 Avatar

thanks a ton for the pics and swatches…i’m looking forward to this collection…temptalia helps in making decision what to buy and what not 🙂

could you please do a swatch of mac hipness and bite of an apple side by side so that we can see the difference?

Annette Avatar

Thanks, I may have to pick it up then. I was thinking it was similar to some glosses I already have, so I was going to skip it. But, it keeps calling to me, lol and I don’t want to regret it later.

tracy Avatar

i have marine life and i was wondering if i should skip the bite of and apple blusher. are they similar colours? i have redish cheeks and ive heard bite of an apple has red tones (which i could do without)thanks

ems Avatar

I love your site. I always make sure to consult it before making a purchase. By the way, which do you think would be a more suitable highlighter for someone who’s NC 15-20-Oh So Fair or Shell Powder?

Lisa B Avatar

Is Sinister similar to Culture Class? Was Culture Class released previously under another name…Could they all be that similar? I recall culture class being pretty sheer too.

michelle Avatar

CHRISTINE
Do you use a brush to put your lipstick on? It’s so perfect…I just got Toxic Tale, I love it, but I’m not used to lipsticks with color…and I feel like i can’t get a perfect, even application with just the lipstick.

Grace Avatar

Hey Christine! I was just wondering if how you think hothouse would look on an nw15/20 with light pinky nude lips, honestly I don’t think it would look that great but I’m in love with the color & don’t have anything like it! (I’m quite new to mac), thankyou! amazing swatch’s! 🙂 <3

jennifer Avatar

hi christine! i have a question… do u think toxic tale would suit my nc20 skin?? i have brown eyes and dark black/brown hair. My lips are lightly pigmented and i believe i look best in cooler colors (think gaga l/s) but i have been wanting to venture out into color and the only “coral” i have is everhip. I would love to hear what you think! <3

Brenna Avatar

Just bought Toxic Tale today and cannot believe how much I love it! I’m addicted to bright, in-you-face colors, and wanted it immediately. I was afraid it wouldn’t look good in person, but was so happy to see how well it went with my pale skin. Definitely want to buy another so I don’t run out 🙂

Haley Avatar

HELP!!!! I am totally in love with House House lipglass!! But becuase I am talking constantly while I am at work and drinking water all the time, it last no more than half an hour, which is simply just a pain…

Do you know of any lipsticks that would be similar with the raspberry and purple amazingness??

Marcela Avatar

I got my entire VV haul at a preview party 2 weeks ago and then regretted not having bought Hot House. Luckily, Mac’s site still had it as of last week and i ordered it. So glad i did cuz it just came in and it’s soooo beautifully pigmented and shimmery!

Barbara Avatar

Hey, I was wondering if there are any similar colors to bite of an apple in the permanent collection? I recently went out to my nearest MAC store (over an hour away) and bought ‘gulp’ over 300$ worth of this collection (my first time ever buying MAC) and I don’t want to have to rush and buy the color again before it leaves. So are there any colors that you think are close enough in the permanent so I don’t have to buy an extra?

Aleeza Avatar

Hi christine, i have my eyes on this bite of an apple blush but i heard it was similar to hipness and fleur power. The thing is that i have both, thinking wether i should skip bite of an apple or not, what do u think?

Ms. Jules Avatar

Thank you so much for showing the color samples! I was not sure which MAC Venomous Villains lipsticks/and lipglasses would work for me. After seeing your photos now i know exactly what to bid on(i found most of the MAC V.V. collection on Ebay)! Thanks for your efforts and hard work with your report/webpage. 🙂 Ms.Jules

Prerna Avatar

Vainglorious is looks SO pigmented in this.

The one that I got isn’t pigmented at all! 🙁 I just pulled it out today after letting it sit for over a year, and was so disappointed!! Waaaahhhhh.

If you ever happen to read this, Christine, was yours fairly pigmented??

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