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nude lipstick!

colors are either too light and wash me out, or too brown, or too pinky/red.
i swatched probably 12 today at sephora and came out empty handed. boo.

I rubbed my lips raw trying them out yesterday! I can’t find a good pink-leaning one that doesn’t look like concealer on my fair skin. I just want a pairing for a smokey eye!

Eyeliner! Nearly all of them, even UD’s 24/7 pencils, transfer above my crease when I do a cat eye. I’ve tried setting them and it works for a few hours but then fails. I want to try MAC’s Backtrack or maybe Bobbi Brown gel liner next but I’m afraid to because nearly everything that says no smudge/budge/waterproof/long-wearing etc seems to transfer on me. ):

I love Bobbi Brown’s gel liners, and they don’t transfer for me (most everything does, especially without priming my lids). Do you use primer? Also, Tom Ford and YSL eyeliner pots last forever without budging on me!

Someone else asked and I realized I probably don’t use primer as often as I should, ty for reminding me! And gods, if I had the money for Tom Ford I’d probably be all over that haha, his line is to die for.

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Have you tried MAC Liquidlast Liner? It only comes in Point Black (they discontinued all the other colours, sadly), but that stuff could probably withstand the apocalypse. I have oily lids, and without a primer, everything transfers on me, including Blacktrack, but that stuff stays until I take it off (and beyond – you NEED oil-based remover). They come with an extremely steep learning curve though, in regards to application! The brush is super wobbly and if you make a mistake, there is NO fixing it. I personally find it worth the fiddly-ness, though.

Also, do you use an eyeshadow/lid primer? Primer sorted my transference issues, as well as creasing issues.

I’ve tried I think Nyx’s Hd primer but not much else I think, though god knows I have about 20 million samples of other high end ones laying around. I should give those a shot, thanks for reminding me! Also no I actually hadn’t heard of liquilast, so maybe I’ll give it a peek next time I;m around my MAC counter, thank you!

Mac’s Black Track Smudges like crazy on me and I have dry eyelids. I love the Milani liquid eyeliner in black vinyl. SUPER black, water/tear-proof and doesn’t budge until I wash it off with an emoilent soap or makeup remover.

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UD eyeliner smudges on me, the colours aren’t so bad but the black Perversion is awfuk and I mostly wear black. MUFE Aqua Eyes doesn’t move at all on me.
Before that I used Annabelle’s six dollar black eyebrow pencil (with the bristles on the lid to comb your brows with) as an eyeliner and it worked surprisingly well, better than Perversion anyway!

Try Make Up For Ever’s liquid liners! They are unbelievable and so so gorgeous. The black is an absolute staple for me, and I’ve gotten so addicted I’ve been buying all the colors because of how vibrant and longlasting they are!

I have the same issues as you do but find Bobbi Brown’s gel liner to work much better then the pencils. Just keep your eyes half squinted to give them a chance to dry and set it if it’s truly hot or humid out. That being said, I find them more challenging to apply.

This may sound strange, but do you live near a drugstore that sells Milani? I have the same problem you do, and swear that the Milani liquid-like eye pencils (the sharpenable variety, I do not get the same results from the automatic kind) do not budge on me. Even the UD ones fade by the end of the day on me, but the Milani ones do not move.

I have also heard that the NARS and Make Up For Ever aqua liners do not budge on oily skin, though I have not tried either one personally yet (both are on my wishlist :)).

For me it’s definitely foundation. My skintone is very fair (NW10 or paler), so most foundations off-the-rack won’t match me, and although Nars Siberia is very close, the formulas it’s offered in don’t work with my skin. After ages of using badly matching foundations, I’ve started mixing a white one (Face Atelier Zero Minus) with a bb cream to make a custom shade that works, but the Face Atelier foundation tends to emphasize dry patches and flaky skin, so it doesn’t give me that perfect finish. I wish more make-up brands offered shades for the very pale, especially for those like me with yellow undertones, as most fair foundations are pink toned.

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Have you tried Giorgio Armani Maestro foundation in shade two? I am NW 10 on a good day and I have really been loving the Maestro foundation lately.

I’ve found that Dior has some great super-light ones (too light even for me, so they might work for you!) Guerlain’s lightest color is pretty darn light too.

I hear you. Foundations are the thoughest on us pale people! It seems there is no color match for us. Above all the finish is also important. I like foundations that have enough coverage but has this my skin but better finish. Pasty thick foundation is a horror on my dry sky, it flakes all over. Currently I am using Chanel´s Vitalumiere Aqua in the lightest shade. altough it is by far not perfect it was the best I could find so far. I just love its finish!
I still want to try MUFE´s HD and Burberry´s new foundation. The problem is that I can not get samples in my country and don´t want to risk to buy blind and risk to have my money thrown out the window if I don´t like it…

This, so much! My skin does not have strong undertones either way, and I’m very pale, so most foundations that are offered in light shades are too dark, pink, yellow, or orange for me. My skin is extremely dry, but breakout-prone and I have a heart condition that makes me sweat a lot.

The best options I’ve found right now are the Missha Signature BB Cream in 13 and Make Up For Ever Mat Velvet+ in 15 (although this is quite drying for me, so I layer tons of moisturizer underneath or mix it with moisturizer). I was hoping to find something better without sunscreen for my wedding next week (UD Naked Skin was way too dark and very pink, all the MUFE HD shades are pink, NARS Siberia is very yellow except for the cream foundation, which is more neutral, but still a tad dark), and I’m just going to have to wear the Mat Velvet+ (the BB Cream has too much sunscreen for flash photography).’

I can easily find mineral makeup shades that match (Alima is the best for this), but with my dry skin and sweating problems, it just looks bad on me.

I think the other major problem with foundation for pales skin is undertone. When you’re very fair, anything that leans even a little removed from your natural tone becomes unflattering. I’m an NW10 in the winter, and while I wear my foundations sheer enough that a tiny bit of shade difference won’t really matter, undertone is a MAJOR issue. Anything even vaguely warm pulls very warm and sallow on me. I’ve found a few foundations light enough for me, but of those few, only about 2-3 are cool enough. I imagine people who are NW5-10 have it even worse. 😐

Try the new GIVENCHY Teint Couture Long-Wearing Fluid Foundation. Amazing pale shades and great formula. I never find a color match for my super light skin but this was spot on.

Concealer. I have very dark circles and thin skin and concealers either didn’t cover enough or ended up looking awful (cakey, creasing and very obvious). Now I use a combination of Maq Pro corrector and Nars Radiant Creamy Concealer and I think I’ve never looked better.

I was going to recommend Bobbi Brown’s corrector for you. Whatever shade is best for your skintone. Then you can cover it with the regular concealer for your skintone, or any other concealer you love. The fnish is very creamy and doesn’t exacerbate dryness, and you can combne it with any foundation or other products you use. Its one of my few HG products!

Mascara for sure!

Foundation is also a tough one. I really hard to find a good color match, that covers, looks like skin and doesn’t irritate your skin.

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Concealer! I’ve found some good ones (Hourglass, Mac Pro Longwear, IT Cosmetics) but none so good that I’m not always on the lookout for something better.

As I am very fair (probably NC 5 or 10ish), it is often a pain in the bum to find a good foundation. Especially one that doesn´t make me look pasty (I´m looking at you, Skin Base!)

I agree with you Christine about foundation and skincare. I would also add lipstick. My reason is not for color, but for the fact that I have very dry lips and different formulations and colors make them worse.

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The right eyebrow pencil shade! I used to do mine a bit too dark as I just couldn’t find the right shade, and it would look so severe – especially in pictures.

And I agree with you Christine about skincare… That’s why I’m thankful for websites such as beautymouth as one could easily get lost among all the products out there.

I haven`t found my Holy grail foundation. I tried Avon Flawless, Bh Cosmetics, Revlon, L’Oreal, Maybelline, Mac.. I think I might have to go the expensive way to find it.

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For me, base products in general (primer, foundation, concealer, powder, eye primer, etc). I also haven’t found a pencil eyeliner that could work for tightlining without smudging everywhere,

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Foundation to be sure! I am really fair and most foundations that go really light are usually full coverage foundations or setting powders. There are so many foundations I would love to try and use, but their “fair” shades are like 5 shades too dark. I have been looking into trying Dainty Doll, but I don’t really like purchasing things like foundation online.

For me it was definitely under eye concealer. I’ve fought a battle for many years with concealers that looked amazing under my eyes… for 5 minutes. Until I found my HG, Nars radiant creamy concealer. For the first time in years I don’t worry about checking the mirror AT ALL all day long because this stuff does not crease, get cakey or anything along those lines. It’s amazing!

I 100% agree about the foundation. Interestingly, a shade match is usually not hard for me to find, but I’m so picky about formula and have never found one where I finally had that “eureka!” moment like I couldn’t live without it. Also, I don’t have an eyeshadow holy grail, but admittedly, I have experimented less with shadows than other products.

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