Wednesday, June 6th, 2012

From Urban Decay:

Urban Decay is going to sell our products in China. Because of China’s policies on animal testing, we know that this will not be a popular decision with some of our loyal customers. But the decision is a thoughtful one.

For 16 years, we have been committed to two key causes: women’s rights, and the fight against animal testing. Our dedication to those causes will not waver.

For those of you unfamiliar with China’s policies, the sticking point is this: the Chinese government reserves the right to conduct animal testing with cosmetic products before the products are approved for use by Chinese citizens. The government has not told us if they have exercised this right with our products. So, our brand does not test on animals, but the Chinese government might conduct a one-time test using our products. Do we like China’s policies? No…and that is really the point. Going into China was a huge decision for Urban Decay. But, we believe that change cannot and will not happen by outside pressure alone in a closed market. Change can only happen from within. When we enter the Chinese market, we will do our part to help make those changes.

When we were considering expanding into China, a group of marketing consultants told us to remove the section of our company history that describes our crusade against animal testing. “It doesn’t mean anything to the Chinese beauty customer,” they said. Of course, we refused. Our “no animal testing” policy is part of who we are, and has been since day one. The news that animal issues don’t even register with the average Chinese consumer was one of the biggest factors in our decision to go there. During Urban Decay’s infancy, we worked hard to inform consumers about animal rights in the United States and Europe. The battleground for animal rights is now in China, and we want to be there to encourage dialogue and provoke change.

We also hope to shed some light on women’s rights issues in China. As a company that caters to a female customer, this is extremely important to us. For one thing, going into China is a way for us to advance women into important professional positions. We will help grow the cosmetics industry, which primarily employs and creates career paths for women. Although workers’ employment rights are a relatively new concept there, progress has been made partially because of pressure from businesses, consumers, and advocacy groups from other countries. Based on this, our belief is that both an outside force and inside pressure for change can result in helping transform both the importance of women and animal testing policies in China. And more importantly, we hope to influence the perspective of the citizens on both of these issues.

If we don’t go to China, other companies without our beliefs will, and the culture will never change. We want to encourage a culture of consumers who care enough to buy cruelty-free products, and who view professional women as role models who influence their lives on a daily basis.

Yes, we are a for-profit company. And yes, we would eventually like to make money in China. But we don’t stand to turn a profit in China for quite a while, partially because the market isn’t quite ready to sustain an untraditional brand like ours. If it were only about the money, we would wait a few years. But our foray into this market is also about participating in an amazing time of change in China. We don’t like animal testing (and neither do the 13 dogs in our office), but we are trying to change the world… even if it is one eye shadow at a time! Sitting on the sidelines isn’t our style. We understand that you might not like our decision, but we hope you can respect it.

For any advocates or Urban Decay fans interested, Urban Decay founding partner Wende Zomnir will host a live chat on urbandecay.com to answer questions about our entry into China.

Please keep comments respectful, thoughtful, and refrain insults, personal attacks, and the like. I know that this is an issue that is near and dear to many readers’ hearts, and sometimes passionate beliefs can inspire equally passionate, but sometimes hurtful, disrespectful, or disparaging responses. I ask that readers give each other the respect that each of us as human beings deserves.

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577 thoughts on “Urban Decay Press Statement: Animal Testing and China

  1. I shall no longer be buying from Urban Decay as they have made this decision. Regardless of who is doing the testing they simply should not put their products in a position where they may be tested on animals. Lush do not sell in China for that precise reason & they are doing very well at the moment without any revenue from the Chinese market. If you want to make a stand against this type of behaviour make sure you go to fightinganimaltesting.com & sign the petition to encourage the European Parliament to enforce the ban on Animal Tested cosmetics in Europe. If this ban is enforced then companies will have to choose whether to sell on the European market or on smaller markets such as the US or Chinese which will not make them as much money! In doing this the smaller markets will be forced to revise their regulations if they want money from the cosmetic houses to make its way into their economy.

  2. organicoliveoil2007

    So are they going to start to sell their products in China or are they going to manufacture their products in China? Meaning all of their products sold herein the U.S. are now going to say Made in China?

    • Selling products in China. The people talking about manufacturing in China are speculating on a possible extension of this.

    • Avatar of Elizabeth lesa5363

      They already have out sourced Chinese factories to make their cosmetics.  Just look at the Smoke Out Palettes. I emailed an inquiry to UD about this.  Never got a response.  Now the people who make UD in China aren’t making enough money to buy te products they make.  How does that empower women?

  3. Pinappleprincess

    I wonder how many people who commented here buy products from other companies that sell their products in China. Because ALL products thtat are legally sold in china HAVE TO BE tested on animals or else they can’t be sold there…

  4. meredithknoxMUA

    In all honesty, animal testing is not something that will stop me from buying cosmetics. I have been a die hard fan of Urban Decay since I began my love for makeup. I very much respect their decision and I appreciate that they told their customers, and are holding a live chat. However I don’t see myself buying much more UD simply because the products don’t correlate with me that much anymore. I love their cosmetics but I just want a matte palette already! I’m tired of the shimmer. As a consumer I appreciate the honesty.

  5. Teddy Bear

    When UD moves into China, the “no animal testing” label may get people to realize that yes, there are more humane ways to test cosmetics. They may not even know alternative ways even exist. I think this is good exposure. It’s not about money, it’s about exposing others to new ways of thinking. If UD is a success, other companies may follow UD’s example. If a Chinese celebrity says, hey, I use UD because they are cruelty-free, well, that could inspire new ways of doing things. There’s animal lovers in China too…they may flock to this and spread the word about cruelty-free products.

    • xandreaaa

       @Teddy Bear thank you for your comment. Anytime the issue of animal cruelty and China are linked into one apparently every single person there is a tyrant that hates animals. there are so many animal lovers there like there are where we live too.

    • zeldafitz

       @Teddy Beari don’t think anyone has said that all people in china aren’t animal lovers…the problem is that if the chinese government forces companies to comply with animal testing to sell in that market, then how are consumers supposed to take urban decay’s claims that “they” don’t test on animals seriously? moreover, i have asked urban decay what their exact plans are to spread awareness about animal testing in china (because you know, if that’s what their plans were all along, then they must have come up with some detailed plan, right?!?!) and they haven’t answered me (and yes, they have been responding to comments and questions on fb before this “chat” they are supposedly having in two weeks).  the chinese government is NOT going to be ok with UD coming in and saying “hey everyone, WE don’t test on animals, but your government does! isn’t that TERRIBLE?!” they have to know this.  if they force companies to comply with animal testing, they aren’t going to be ok with anyone speaking out against it.  and they are apparently in the works to eliminate animal testing anyway…why couldn’t UD just have waited? or used THAT to their advantage (i.e. “we refuse to sell in china until you remove your requirements about animal testing”)
       

  6. Dee

    The argument that products that we use today were tested on animals in the past is not a very good one. Many horrible things were done in the past that benefit us today but it doesn’t make it right to reinstate those practices especially on something as unnecessary and trivial as makeup. This is about money plain and simple. Any company that actually believed in their principles would never have made such a move. MUFE and NARS it is for me from now on.

    • Avatar of Kafka Kafka

      @Dee, I couldn’t agree more.  Almost all the products we use today have benefitted from past practices and while testing may be necessary for current or future medicine, we’ve come a long way from it for current cosmetic products. Tons of extremely successful companies have instituted no-animal testing policies or are looking for additional, alternative ways to avoid animal-derived products.  It’s certainly possible to have such policies and still make a profit. I’ve heard some vague comments about the Chinese govt. looking to pass some laws on animal testing in a few months. If so, UD could have entered into new markets in the meantime (like Australia) to make a profit, stayed true to its philosophical beliefs and waited to see what China would do before making a decision. They didn’t. That speaks loads to me. So much for all those UD eyeshadows on my list. Goodbye “Strip,” you really looked gorgeous.  

      •  @Kafka If those new laws pass, UD will have jumped the gun and gotten a head start in China over its competitors (eg. NARS, who also have no animal testing policies). Not to mention, it may try to take credit for the new laws – “Look, our entry played a part in affecting change!” This is probably what it’s betting on in the long run, which makes me sick.

        • Avatar of Kafka Kafka

           @Li Wen  I hadn’t thought of that. Grrrr. Thank you for raising my blood pressure all over again. Now I’m even more offended by the Machiavellian calculations and manipulations involved!  Well, UD can go suck it. I’m sticking to my beloved BF, François Nars.  (And yes, I know he’s gay. lol) 
           

    • Rachel

      Actually, both MUFE and NARS test on animals. Sorry. 

      • Avatar of Kafka Kafka

        NARS does not. Even apart from the fact that François Nars himself is vegan, the company says so flat out in an official statement: “Nars does not test on animals, nor do we have any other parties, including our suppliers, conduct animal testing on our behalf. Nars uses only the highest quality ingredients which have a proven safety record and are widely used in the cosmetics industry.”

        • Rachel

           @Kafka I just looked that up and now see your post! YES, absolutely right. I was wrong.  A sales rep at Nordstrom’s had said very confidently that they did, and I should not have assumed she was right. Apologies.! Well, that is good news… One more to add to Animallover’s list above.

        • Avatar of Kafka Kafka

          @Rachel,  the thing that seems to confuse people is the fact that NARS is not on PETA’s list.  I have no idea why, though I often hear that PETA’s list doesn’t include a number of no-testing companies. Yet, any Google search of “NARS animal testing peta” will show a ton of links that confirm NARS does not do animal testing.  People on Spektra have posted that they’ve emailed NARS directly to ask about animal testing and received emails back saying that Nars has never done animal testing and never will.  Also, NARS is on the Cruelty-Free list at this Beauty Blog for animal lovers that I recently found. It’s *very* up-to-date and just crossed UD off! If you, or anyone else, wants a VERY detailed list of Cruelty-Free beauty companies, I’d recommend looking at the following instead of *just* the PETA list:  http://www.mybeautybunny.com/cruelty-free-beauty/#CrueltyFreeBeautyBrands  

        • MartinaVarkatzas

           @Kafka There are rumours that NARS have been asked to sign a Cruelty-free doc in order to be included in the PETA list and they actually never responded. Also, NARS have been bought by Shiseido, so as much as I want to buy my first NARS product, I am afraid I’ll have to pass :S

        • cariexx

           @Kafka NARS is owned by Shiseido, though, and they test.

        •  @Kafka NARS as a line is cruelty free, and all their basics (foundation, primer, powder) are vegan. However, their parent company does test on animals. I feel like this makes it just up to the individual to decide if they want to support NARS or not.

    • MUFE launched in China a few years ago, and is widely available (at least in Shanghai) in Sephora and in a number of department stores, while NARS is not. I don’t know what that says about MUFE’s commitment to no animal testing…

      • Rachel

         @Li Wen Thank you for what seem to be ‘on the ground’ reports!    I must be late to the game, and MUFE must have been at one time against animal testing. Last time I looked at their site, nothing about it was mentioned and I found only that they sell in China.  Same goes for Smashbox.  They’re all selling out. Was there an uproar about those two entering China? Or did they not make an announcement?

        • Is Smashbox sold in China? if so, I’ve never seen it.
           
          I don’t remember a big launch for MUFE in China. But then, I’m not that involved in the beauty community here. I’m just here as a shopper. :)

        •  @Li Wen Smashbox was very quiet about the change. Once I found out about MAC, I emailed all Estee Lauder brands and that’s when I found out. http://www.logicalharmony.net/smashbox-is-no-longer-cruelty-free
           
          MUFE started testing on animals again at least a year ago. Ever since I started doing in depth research on brands, I’ve never been happy with their answer.

    • watchthesky

      make up for ever is also sold in china…

  7. Avatar of Keely kiwikeely

    UPDATE: I just did a little bit of web surf research…UD is not inquiring their home country about this decision, the brand ALREADY launched in Shanghai’s Sephora on the 5TH OF JUNE with a big launching party at the Bund. Hmm……this press statement is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen a PR team do. The tone and content offends both the Americans as well as the Chinese. 

    • Avatar of Kafka Kafka

       @kiwikeely  So they weren’t even honest about when these new policies would begin? “We are going to” and “when we” — all imply future action. Future to June 6th. Charming. You know, I’ve been to that Sephora on the Bund. I’m not at all surprised that they chose Shanghai to start with.     

    •  @kiwikeely Can you share where you’ve read this? I did a search on my own and came up with nothing– i even looked at sephora.cn and Urban Decay isn’t listed there (yet. but I saw other brands that currently claim to be cruelty-free- like Makeup Forever- are on there. Looks like i need to investigate my entire collection!). I’m very interested to know more!

      • Avatar of Keely kiwikeely

         @Killerteeth well, I did a quick search of “urban decay” on weibo, which is the chinese twitter, and several beauty bloggers and the editor of elle magazine cn were invited to the launch party on the 5th, posted photos and afterthought etc. but I have to say it’s a very low profile launch in a sense that only people from the shanghai region are informed. Some of the most famous bloggers in the chinese blogosphere (like arora) doesn’t seem to know a thing.

  8. boomie

    Another thought…I watch Whale Wars. This last season they were protesting the round-up and massacre of whales near Sweden. Now, the people have been doing that for centuries. Kids even get involved. Yet, the activists still went into the towns to educate the people against the mass killing of the whales. All it takes is one person to think that, hey, this is wrong. Then they influence others who influence others….you get any progress in an area known for animal cruelty unless you try to spread the word somehow.

  9. Avatar of Ricky blauriche

    Although I’m against animal testing, it’s not like I’ve never bought anything from Smashbox or L’Oreal. I mean, I generally avoid them, but nobody’s perfect. What really riles me up about this thing, aside from the nauseating hypocrisy (“Why would anyone?”), is this horrible press release. It’s really insulting the intelligence of their customers. Clearly, there are many customers who will want to give the company the benefit of the doubt and this flaming pile of BS is of course written for them. It’s one thing to be cagey about answering these questions, like Chanel or YSL.  It’s another to take what’s made you feel good about supporting a company and throw it out the window with a tidal wave of bogus rationalizations. I told literally everyone I know to buy that 15th Anniversary palette. It’s generally been my favorite makeup item for months, but I’m not even going to be able to look at it anymore. This morning when I went to grab an eyeliner I had to dig through tens of UD eyeliners before I could find the Cargo eyeliner I was looking for. Does Cargo test on animals? I have no idea, but I do know that they’ve yet to betray me.

  10. Avatar of Ricky blauriche

    Although I’m against animal testing, it’s not like I’ve never bought anything from Lancome or L’Oreal. I mean, I generally avoid them, but nobody’s perfect. What really riles me up about this thing, aside from the nauseating hypocrisy (“Why would anyone?”), is this horrible press release. It’s really insulting the intelligence of their customers. Clearly, there are many customers who will want to give the company the benefit of the doubt and this flaming pile of BS is of course written for them. It’s one thing to be cagey about answering these questions, like Chanel or YSL.  It’s another to take what’s made you feel good about supporting a company and throw it out the window with a tidal wave of bogus rationalizations. I told literally everyone I know to buy that 15th Anniversary palette. It’s generally been my favorite makeup item for months, but I’m not even going to be able to look at it anymore. This morning when I went to grab an eyeliner I had to dig through tens of UD eyeliners before I could find the Cargo eyeliner I was looking for. Does Cargo test on animals? I have no idea, but I do know that they’ve yet to betray me.

  11. Avatar of Katrice Katrice

    As we gain an understanding of the market, we plan to develop creative solutions to drive awareness about these issues ~Urban Decay.   It sounds as if their “decision” wasn’t as thoughtful as they stated it was. It sounds as if they don’t have a plan and have no idea what they are getting themselves into. What if these “creative solutions” don’t pan out?   These are excuses not explanations for me.  I will be waiting for the Q&A with Wende, but have already made the decision to not purchase anymore UD.
     

  12. Ana

    I think is a bad movement, animal cruelty is horribke and as a Bachelor in Ecology I think you should keep that label because I’ve learn with my career that in order to educate people you have to give them an example, not just for marketing stuff…So disappointed on you UD! I don’t think I will buy again from a brand that prefers to be dominated by marketing than what their “say to be”

  13. AnimalLover

    I think its stupid that Urban Decay is selling their products in China especially if the Chinese Government requires animals testing?! Chinese Workers aren’t treated or paid fairly anyway…so even if the products prices were lowered and more affordable to consumers, the people who are working their butts off in the factories are not benefiting from any of this. Infact they’re going to be suffering and having whats going to be an even HARDER time putting food on the table for their families. I understand what Urban Decay is trying to do by going into China:show them alternative methods to animal testing but just the same…if China won’t listen to companies or people in the past what makes Urban Decay think that China  will listen to them? Fortunately I don’t own very many Urban Decay Products (1 Eyeliner Pencil, 1 Glitter Liquid Eyeliner and the Urban Decay Naked 2 Palette) and even though part of me is glad that I’ll have more money to save then spend on my once favorite makeup brand. I’m VERY dissapointed in Urban Decay…not only have they lost their creativity (HELLO discontinuing unique shades of eyeshadow when they reformulated their shadows) but they’ve also lost what made them important and loved…their policy of not testing on animals. Urban Decay…your respect for animals and your fans by going and selling your products in China.:( Fortunately I have other makeup brands that respect my love for animals and have products that are just as good…if not better than yours.:)
    Here is a list of non-animal testing brands that I use:
    Sephora
    Tarte
    Stila
    Prestige
    Milani
    Revlon
    Jordana
    Jesse’s Girl
    WetnWild
     

    • Rachel

      Sephora is in China, aren’t they? A rep at Sephora,  who checked with her … appropriate contact, don’t know who or what the position was… said they were –at least selling products in China.  So, they have to be off the list, I think.  Seriously, what about Revlon, surely, they are in China? 

    • Of those brands, Sephora and Revlon are both available in China.

      •  @Li Wen Are Sephora’s private brands, like Kat Von D and Tarina Tarantino available in China as well?  I didn’t see them when i checked out sephora.cn.

      •  Now i’m confused– Revlon is listed on PETA’s “companies that DON’T test on animals” list.

        •  @Killerteeth Revlon, like UD, does not test nor does it have anybody do testing on their behalf. The fact that the Chinese govt MAY choose to test their products on animals is outside their control (other than to just not sell there). So it’s absolutely true that they do not test. It’s just that the Chinese govt might. For that matter, so might any government if it decides to.

        • @GlowMyWay hm I wonder if they went the route of Burt’s Bees and bypassed the animal testing law. Why would PETA and keep Revlon on their CF lists, yet remove UD for selling in China? Is it to save face? Hurt feelings?(PETA has done a bunch of UD giveaways previously) Just when I thought those dumb lists were clear and made things easy!

        • Avatar of Ricky blauriche

           @GlowMyWay  @Killerteeth I don’t think this is true. To be sold in China, they company has to show documentation that the products have been tested on animals. I can see that what you’re saying is what companies would want you to think though.

        •  @Killerteeth  That’s just it. There are a few companies on both of PETA’s lists (the do and don’t test ones) that I had questions about. When you think about it, how can you ever be sure a company isn’t testing? Can you get a search warrant to see every facility they have on the planet? It’s one thing to avoid companies that admit they test, but it’s probably somewhat impossible to be sure a company does NOT test.
           
          I don’t say this to discourage anyone from doing their best to shop in whatever way they feel is ethical! I’m just saying that unfortunately, yeah, it is really hard to get the info we need.
           
          Maybe the best way to go is to press for laws banning animal testing on products where it’s not needed (anymore). I think that might be a lot more effective than shoppers boycotting companies. I mean, if UD loses customers after this press release, they’ll know why. But when people just randomly decide they’re going to stop buying L’Oreal because of testing, L’Oreal doesn’t know WHY they stopped buying, so it doesn’t press them to stop testing.

    • Avatar of Kafka Kafka

      I’m not exclusively cruelty-free but I try my best and while back, I found a beauty blog for animal lovers that I’m very impressed by. It’s divided by drug store brands, household products, beauty brands, & even mascara. It’s *very* up-to-date and just crossed UD off! If you, or anyone else, wants a VERY detailed list of Cruelty-Free beauty companies, I’d recommend looking at the following, instead of *just* the PETA list:  http://www.mybeautybunny.com/cruelty-free-beauty/#CrueltyFreeBeautyBrands.  For the full list of all the diff. cruelty-free categories, go to:  http://www.mybeautybunny.com/cruelty-free-beauty/      

  14. AnimalLover

    I forgot to mention Essence Cosmetics and Sonia Kashuk

  15. AnimalLover

    Oh and also E.L.F.

    • Uh, WNW and Elf are actually *made* in China, so I’m not following your logic. Why reject UD for just selling in China, but buy from two brands who are actually using Chinese labor to keep their products super cheap?

      • jessettery

         @GlowMyWay Yeah but e.l.f. formulate his products in USA, they only hire China manufacture to reproduce them, China doesn’t test them as they are not sold in there, China only manufacture the products with the formulas and specifications that e.l.f gave them, when products are done China sends them to USA and e.l.f. sell them.

        •  @jessettery AnimalLover was saying that it’s bad to buy things manufactured in China because of their poor record on worker’s rights, but then suggesting we buy from companies that are made in China. That’s an inconsistent position, and animal testing doesn’t come into it (so far as that argument goes).

        • jessettery

           @GlowMyWay Hmm interesting contradiction from Animal Lover, yeah i knew the terrible situation in China for workers, and always the government is the one going rich.
          I guess that has always been worldwide, here in Mexico we have a phrase “Fleas always go to the skinniest dog”, the poor and the helpless are the last to get a scratch.
           
          But the bad guys can only success if the good guys do nothing. By that i do not support UD decision coz i believe there are better ways to make a change like LUSH Statement: http://www.lushcountries.com/partnerships/china.html
          And as the animal testing as the lack of many human rights are caused by the communism, if Chinese population doesn’t have same rights as we have to express, much less rights the animals will have.
          Communism is a hard thing to break unless they see an economical thread.
           

  16. totaldebmove

    I’m under the impression that the majority of you are unaware or just refusing to grasp the fact that regardless of if a company is cruelty free or not, each component of a makeup product (like the chemicals and the dyes) have been tested on an animal previously… there is no such thing as cruelty free. If there was, then it still wouldn’t be cruelty free because humans (WHICH ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANIMALS) would be suffering instead.

    • Avatar of Ellie Screamer77

       @totaldebmove we are aware that in the past for lack of knowledge and better options animal testing WAS necessary, but in 2012, when it comes to cosmetic products, it can’t be justified.

    • UpsetAnimalLover

       @totaldebmove Perhaps, but understand that these components are no longer being tested, resulting in less testing overall. For example, if product A uses X, Y, and Z. If generic product B is created also using these aforementioned ingredients, then these no longer need to be tested a second time. It’s not much, but it’s worth it. Also, humans aren’t necessarily to be valued over other animals. Just because we have a more highly developed reasoning doesn’t mean that we can take advantage of them. Just in the same way that it’s not right for those who are geniuses to mistreat those who are ordinary.

    • zeldafitz

       @totaldebmoveand frankly if there is ANY question of whether an ingredient or product would make humans suffer should the thing be tested on them, i for one think it shouldn’t be used then! we know which ingredients are safe for us to use already, if they were tested on animals in the past, fine, there’s nothing we can do about it. but it is UNNECESSARY for it to  continue.
       

    • zeldafitz

       @totaldebmove hmm i see that my other comment didn’t get posted…i wonder why? i didn’t say anything offensive. 
       
      i just want to say that humans are not more important than animals.  who are we to assume that we have power over other living things?  and how we treat animals is a reflection of our empathy and compassion. and i said before and what other people are saying here about “ingredient testing” still stands.

    •  @totaldebmove I disagree that animals are more important – I consider all us animals to be equally important – but you make good practical points otherwise. I’d like to see cruel farming practices banned so that farm animals can have a nice, cushy life until they’re slaughtered too quickly to suffer from it. I’d like to see governments ban testing of ingredients that have been tested plenty before. And I’d like to see us move further toward methods of testing that don’t involve animals (computer modeling apparently has some potential there). But I looked into going “cruelty free” on my makeup, and I just didn’t feel it could be done. (For one thing, how do you prove a negative? Avoiding companies that admit they test is easy enough, if you want, but confirming that a company does NOT test? It’s just not really practical.)
       
      Idealism and the hard stance is usually about making yourself feel good. Practicality and compromise is actually what changes the world for the better. Just my opinion, of course.

  17. UpsetAnimalLover

    This is really saddening. It’s obvious that this is about money. Trying to make a foray into the Chinese market is what it is. The point about wanting to increase awareness of cruelty free products is an after-thought at best. What really stinks is that the Chinese don’t even care about their consumers. They have outdated standards of safety for consumer products, and these standards are difficult to enforce there. Don’t people remember the tainted dog food, baby formula, and the like? From what I understand, that’s a pretty common occurrence over there, where the safety of the consumers and workers are not highly valued. It’s all about profit and what’s best for “The State.” Sure, Urban Decay may not make money for a few years. Actually, I’m hoping they won’t turn a profit. Here’s why: if this product fails to do well in the Chinese market, for whatever reason (cheaper alternatives, etc.), perhaps Urban Decay will give up its crusade into its market. If they fail, it’s a lesson learned. Don’t mess with a good thing, don’t anger your client base, and don’t try to market products to a niche market that doesn’t exist in a nation.
    That sounds rude and callous, I understand, but honestly, this is what you get when you lower your standards for profit. Money’s the root of all evil.

  18. Joti

    All you care about as a company is the profits – if animals now suffer needlessly, Urban Decay has decided that this sits OK with them, as there are extra sales to consider. To dress this up and suggest it was a difficult decision, it isn’t – it’s black and white and you as a company have sold out and gone against your principles and your integrity for nothing more than financial gain.
     
    No doubt some of you have pets – how would you feel if YOUR animal was subjected to cosmetics testing?? Does it make it OK just because that lab animal is anonymous and you have no bond with it? Does it still not suffer pain and crave love in the same way??
     
    As a company I find it disgusting and deplorable that you would make such a u-turn, when you state thatt animal welfare was one of your 2 core missions.
     
    Actions speak louder than words………

  19. Lorgy

    So, we don’t do animal testing except when we do.  Got it.

    • Haha! Maybe that can be their new slogan, something like “We don’t do animal testing, except when we do it– CHA CHING!” or “We don’t do animal testing except when it presents an awesome opportunity to make our vegan leather wallets in$anely fat.”

  20. Luke

    Thanks for having the courage and integrity to share the dirty lies and truth of cpmanies who now test “as required by law in China” like MAC now does as well.
     
    A great list of cruelty free brands can be foudn on site veggiebeauty, she has done much research and have spoken with her directly back and forth recently.
     
    some top comapnies who don’t
     
    inglot
    e.l.f
    illamsqua
    wet n wild
    sugarpill (I love it!)
    too faced
    stilla
     

    • Avatar of Carla CNo64

      This is PRECISELY why I dumped MAC, Bobbi Brown, Clinique, and Prescriptives earlier this year, and am now an Inglot, e.l.f. NYX, and Ecco Bella woman to the core!

      • Luke

         @CNo64 hate to tell you this but NYX NOW TESTS ON ANIMALS AS WELL :(
         
        I made a video on it on youtube yesterday or check out veggiebeauty website cruelty free list

  21. AnnMarie

    Whatever UD products I have right now I’ll use, but I won’t be buying anymore. I think I’m going to move on to other products that don’t animal test. I’m really saddened by the Q&A they put out, and the statment.

    •  @AnnMarie Same here.  How many others will no longer purchase UD after this?  Also, if the Chinese govt’s mandatory animal testing gets overturned, will anyone return to UD (or any other brand that recently overturned their own CF policy to sell in China?), or are these brands forever tainted?

      • shii

         @Killerteeth  @AnnMarie Personally, I won’t be buying from them against, and if that mandatory testing does get overturned, I will not return to them.  I wouldn’t even if Urban Decay said “okay, we’re not going to do it now, we apologize!” I still wouldn’t buy from them, because they turned their back on their staunch moral stance just for a bit more money.

      • Avatar of Carla CNo64

         @Killerteeth  @AnnMarie Nope, I’m afraid I’m thoroughly and permanently disillusioned with UD.Their rationale that “We’re going to start animal-testing, in a noble effort to bring about an end to animal-testing” just leaves me unmoved.

      • Avatar of Elizabeth lesa5363

         @Killerteeth
         If the law gets overturned in China, I am afraid I still won’t be repurchasing.  They insult us as loyal users, insult the Chinese people, they have already out sourced the manufacture of some of their products to China, they have raised their prices here.  They made a choice and now I am making a choice.  I hate hypocrates.  They should just say that they want more money, their ethics changed.  How would Wende like it if someone put nail polish in her dogs eyes?  That is what animal testing is, torture.  One doesn’t have to test on animals, but this is about money, not ethics and principles.  I am sure the Chinese people don’t need UD to tell them how to be better people  They could have just waited for the laws to change, and then sold UD there then.  Instead, they insult the Chinese people as well as their consumers here in the States.  They sold out years ago to LMVH, and they are selling out now.  No amount of backtracking and double speak is going to chage how bad that press release is.  The Chinese don’t need UD to teach them anything. 

  22. jnall321

    Red Apple Lipstick is 100% vegan and cruelty free!

    • Avatar of Carla CNo64

      @jmall321, Red Apple lipstick just recently showed up on my “radar,” and I’ve been wanting an excuse to try it.Urban Decay just gave me that excuse!

  23. FionaDunne

    Dear Urban Decay, thank you for your press release but we are not stupid.  I only use brands approved by BUAV with the Leaping Bunny Logo, Sainsburys, Superdrug, M&S and the Co-Op.  BOYCOTT URBAN DECAY and spread the word far and wide.

  24. K

    That is the most wonderful heap of PR BS I’ve ever seen! kudos! Expanding your brand to china! More like outsourcing and rebranding for Wal Mart.

  25. tikky

    Dear Urban Decay, please continue your animal test free policy, and stay far far away from China, no matter how big your potential market might be. There are tons of wonderful Asian and European makeup brands available in China. Chinese women don’t need Urban Decay’s assistance to ‘advance into important professional positions’. Thanks.

    • Ava

      You are so right. Urban Decay is acting as if they are the white house. They reserve the right to save the world

  26. udsucks

    Urban Decay, stop fucking for virginity. If you think “no animal testing” policy is part of who you are, please DO NOT enter into China. You make me sick. If you want to enter into Chinese market, and earn money from Chinese customers, then shut up and stop saying this crap.

  27. angelbella203

    This is one of my favorite lines to work with as a makeup artist and to sell to clients, but now will gladly show other products instead.  Urban, big mistake!!!  You think you can change a country like China and impact them enough to stop animal testing?  BS…You’re sold in the US…and ummm still alot of testing is happening here.  And that’s one reason why your products are so popular cuz you were against testing.  ding ding ding!!!   Go ahead and listen to the screaming animals having eyeshadow “applied” , one eyeshadow at a time.  Just a bs excuse to make money in a market where products are desirable.  Maybe you should wait until China supports Urbans cause against animal testing before choosing to be sold there, oh wait that would probably be never, so in that case just like all the other sellouts, stay in china then and take away the cruelty free deal from your marketing here.  Guess there won’t be any need to come out with a Naked 3 palette.  

    • Avatar of Carla CNo64

      You said it, angelbella203! There’s absolutely NO need for a Naked 3 palette, because many formerly loyal customers, I included, are just no longer interested.The more I think about this, the more disappointed I am. Earlier in the year, when I found out about Estee auder’s about-face on their animal-testing policy, I was very upset, and thought, “At least I still have Urban Decay; they’d never do such a thing.”How wrong can a person be?

  28. ST

    Dear Urban Decay, I can’t tell you how disappointed to hear that you have sold your soul to the devil. I will no longer purchase your products as I am against animal testing in the name of beauty. You do NOT need to sell in China until they change their policy. Pressure can be applied without selling your soul and making money in China. Your company stood out from the rest of the pack because of your commitment to animals. No amount of PR spin can hide the fact that you are bowing to the Chinese and sacrificing the principles that your company was founded upon. How very, very disappointing that Urban Decay has become all about profit. 

  29. MichelleStatham

    I have to agree with most people on this page that you have sold you soul for fast bucks. Your accountants will  have calculated the losses from the west and the gains from China and China & the cash rule the day. Sorry but this shows your ethics were never true and you were in it to capture the Not Tested On Animals market in the west in the first instance. Your ethics were clearly a marketing tool also. Bye bye UD just like Avon you have sold out to the biggest bidder. UD loss is Marks & Spencers, Co-op, Aldi & Superdrug, Sainsburys  gain.

  30. CeciliaKarlsson

    I guess the answer to their “how could anyone” thing is, “anyone greedy and stupid enough”

  31. Truer

    Hope Chinese won’t buy your products. You offend them on one hand, then you want to laugh all the way to the bank on the other hand. What a joke!

  32. mad

    OMG, it’s ok Urban Decay. You want to make money off of Chinese People, but at the same time you don’t want your customers elsewhere are unhappy. Therefore you are going to bash the heck out of China. And guess what, we are really good at spreading words. You have just made your “big anti-animal testing” people mad, and I don’t think you are doing to do well in China with this post. This is insane, you want to make money off of Chinese people, but at the same time you are bashing their coutry’s policies..and GET THE HECK OUT THERE. No one is demanding your procuts in China.

  33. Avatar of Carla CNo64

    If this truly *does* have the potential to bring about positive change in China, then it decreases, at least slightly, the dismay I feel about Urban Decay “seling out.”However, I  still feel VERY uncomfortable about this, and will probably buy fewer Urban Decay products in the future.

  34. not a dummy

    Funny, dont understand how UD do their marketing. The bottomline is, when you try to sell your products to a new customer, you don’t tell your current customers that this new one sucks and we have to do business with them to save them. I dare you to publish this to your future chinese customers. In fact. if you truly care about Chinese animal testing policy and women rights over money, you would do your best to improve it without playing down China and playing up your own.
    This shows your ethics were never true and you were in it to capture the Not Tested On Animals market in the west in the first instance. Your ethics were clearly a marketing tool also.
    “If we don’t go to China, other companies without our beliefs will, and the culture will never change.” I was just stocked when I read this part, hey my UD, you are not only playing down your future customers, but also your competitors. This is such a ugly game to play for the $$ from a beauty company.

  35. not a dummy

    Also, if UD can accept Chinese government’s policy for selling their products to china. Is that means we can accept other makeup brands who do animal test for a cheaper price?No!! I am really disappointed. I would not buy your product anymore.

  36. how hypocritical

    The main idea of this article is : We want to go to China because we want to make money. So don’t blame us for animal testing, blame the Chinese government! How hypocritical!
    If Urban Decay really sticks to its value, you should never go to China until the government fixes the rule!
    How about just admitting that what you really care about is how to make more money?
    As a Chinese, I will never buy your products! The fact that you do not care about animals but act like you do makes me sick!
     

  37. Avatar of Kafka Kafka

    To the people replying to me way down below on the NARS/Shiseido discussion, I’m sorry for replying up here but Livefyre simply won’t let me scroll down the page to get to your posts. In fact, I don’t even have a “Next 50 replies” button to press. I receive email notifications that tells me what you’re saying in your replies but I just can’t get to them on the site. So, @Tashina, @MartinaVarkatzas, @cariexxx, I hope you receive notification of this because I’m not ignoring your comments about NARS & Shiseido.
     
    Basic answer: to me, there is a difference, but I realise that line in the sand is different for everyone. My rationale comes from my time as a corporate litigator/lawyer.  I represented a number of gigantic, transnational holding companies and their subsidiaries.  If one of their subsidiaries had an issue, the holding company paid the legal bills. But the holding company wasn’t involved in the day to day management or running of that subsidiary.  If NARS comes out with a new product, I feel comfortable that it won’t have been tested on a German Shepherd, cat, bunny, etc.  Shiseido tests, but they don’t tell NARS to test.  Will my not buying a NARS product tell Shiseido that it’s because of Shiseido’s animal-testing policies? Doubtful, even if such a thing were done en masse.  Will my not buying from Shiseido directly tell it that? Again, doubtful they’d realise the correlation or care, but to me, it makes me more comfortable trying to avoid animal-tested products as much as I can. 
     
    That said, unless I were truly vegan and avoided wearing all leather, etc., aren’t I ultimately a hypocrite? Probably. But I can care about animals being tortured in research experiments for cosmetics even without being a vegan.  Should I go all the way and boycott leather shoes, etc., to be completely consistent on a theoretical basis? Should I avoid all products made in China (even though seemingly everything, esp. technological stuff, is made in full or in part in China) due to their labour laws and other issues? Again, yes, for theoretical consistency. But I can’t or won’t (because, um… seemingly everything is made in China nowadays). I can only do the best that I can.
     
    The difference to me with the NARS/Urban Decay issue is this:  I have a lot of problems with the Chinese decisions due to my emotional reactions. For example, my perception of UD’s cynicism, hypocrisy and deceptiveness in that press release, the implausability of their purported womens’ rights goals vs the realities of the Chinese govt’s policies and practices, and the manipulativeness of the whole thing.  It’s unclear to me what the manufacturing & exact parameters of the animal testing issues are.  But, if UD comes out with a new product, it will probably be subject to Chinese tests before it can be sold in China and those tests will undoubtedly involve animal testing (at least, until the current law changes).  If NARS comes out with a new product, it will not be tested on animals. From what I hear here on the board, NARS is not sold in China — probably for that reason.
     
    How far up a person wants to go up the ladder of corporate ownership is a personal decision. The realities of globalisation means that it’s a difficult issue to have principles on, in general — even outside the confines of cosmetics. Where do you draw the line? At what? Just makeup? What about food issues, human labor laws? You can say A is different than B, but doesn’t true consistency require giving up both A *and* B? What about C and D? It’s all a slippery, theoretical slope, in my mind. How can you *truly* be consistent in your principles without essentially just living on an Amish farm?
     
    Where you draw the line in the sand is an individual matter or choice. I won’t make it for you, you don’t make it for me. I can just do my best within my personal parameters. If that’s NARS for me, but not for someone else because of Shiseido being the holding company, then I fully respect your personal decision. I just hope that you won’t attack me for mine. On that note, I’m off to watch the Belmont Stakes.  :)

    • Avatar of Amy xamyx

      @Kafka You know you just opened another can of worms with Belmont Stakes, don’t you? LOL i totally agree with what you’re saying, though.

    • Avatar of Ellie Screamer77

       @Kafka Beautifully said. I understand and respect your perspective.

    • watchthesky

       @Kafka my comment won’t come off nearly as smart as yours (which i definitely applaud you for, i love everything you’ve had to say so far) i just want to say i agree on your NARS vs urban decay issue. as a vegan i still use NARS, because i do believe despite their ownership that they are cruelty-free. it’s definitely better than nothing, and with the number of companies turning their back on cruelty-free policies, it’s the best we can do.

      • Avatar of Kafka Kafka

         @watchthesky  I really appreciate your letting me know, as a vegan, that you still use NARS.  I know many don’t and I genuinely respect their position. But it’s nice to know that at least one vegan will still use NARS and sees a difference between them and UD.  Thank you, WatchTheSky.  :) 

        • watchthesky

           @Kafka you’re welcome :) i too know a lot of people won’t use them simply because they’re owned by shiseido, and i definitely see their side of the argument and respect them wholeheartedly, but to me the line between using a cruelty-free subsidiary and not is blurry and one people need to make for themselves. granted that doesn’t mean there aren’t still some subsidiaries i’d prefer not to use, but i don’t see NARS as a threat and gladly use their products.

  38. jenny

    UD,don’t take urself too serious.. Chinese market may not even need you… Chinese can afford more high-end product lines… who cares you wanna in or not.. AND, if you really have your bottomline, you should just avoid getting into Chinese market. Please DON’T do too much make up on yourself. You just make us think you do not have any principles as long as there is money. How cheap it is!

  39. miayo

    IF YOU DON’T WANT TO SELL TO CHINA, JUST DON’T SELL TO CHINA. NO ONE FORCE YOU TO DO THAT!!!!!!!  EARN MONEY AND SAY BAD WORDS IN THE SAME TIME, WHAT A SHAME!!!!!!! NO ONE NEED YOUR PRODUCTS!!!!!!

  40. Avatar of Elizabeth lesa5363

    Urban Decay has already out sourced some of their manufacturing to China, just look at your Smoke Out Palettes.  The very women who are making these products aren’t paid enough to buy them to wear them. They sold out, period.  They took jobs from the States and shipped off to China just like other companies.  Sad to say, I won’t be buying anymore of their products.  They have not been upfront about much of anything.  Sorry, UD, you just aren’t big enough to change a Communist country.  This same country has created toys full of lead, poisonous dog food, as well as infant formula.  Does UD really think they are going to change China?  Hardly, they are just going to make more money there and less here because they sold out.  Their press release says it all, they think someone who buys makeup doesn’t have a brain or care about anything other than how they look.  I dare anyone to put lipstick on my dogs!  Bye UD, it was great while itlasted, but it’s so over.

  41. lucky

    BULL SHIT! You wanna change other country’s culture? Who do you think you are? The motivation is good, but please at least show some respect to other countries, especially the country where you want to earn money. What the hell is this?  If you are so persistent on your, say, decent, policy, why do you step into China? Oh, I know why. As you said, you would not be comfortable with other companies’ marketing there and earn more money than Urban-decay.

  42. angelbella203

    I posted a comment already, but had a thought…but I need the help of some computer saavy Urban Decay junkies out there.  I am completely against this decision by UD, but had a thought.  There might be hope?  I would hate to stop using UD products, but I will if they go to China, as well as everybody else here that has posted a comment.  Is there a way to start some sort of petition and send it to UD to prove to them that their loyal customers (all of us and many others that are unaware of what is happening) that we will no longer buy UD products.  We could all just state on average how much in the past year we have purchased in UD products and then they may see the possible financial loss they are about to expect and might reconsider their stupid decision.  They will loose business here, not have much profit form China and probably end up going bankrupt.  Which if they go to China I feel they get what they deserve, but they probably dont think we are serious that we will stop buying their products.  So let’s show them the loss they would incur.  Why not?  Right?  Is there a way to do this, on facebook or somehow?  I am by all means not that good with figuring out how to create and share something like that, but if somebody knows how i would love for you to help.  We just need to state our name, how much we spent in the last year on their products and if we will continue to buy or not, and maybe have it on a speadsheet that totals the columns or something?  I dunno, what do you guys think?

    • angelbella203

      Ok, I feel stupid…haha I just found two petitions already started.  haha Thank you to Adina Chmiel and PETA for starting that, you read my mind!!  

      • will not buy UD

        I guess UD has already calculated their loss in the west and gains in China. They go to China only because the potential market is huge and they are going to make a big profit there. Otherwise, there are dozens of countries require animal testing, why don’t UD pick them as battlefields?
         
        Someone has already translated this statement into Chinese, put it on weibo (Chinese version of twitter) and asks Chinese do not buy their product. I will never buy UD for the two reasons: 1) UD should stick to their ethics even though it is just their marketing tool. 2) They should not do business with us Chinese while saying we suck behind our back.
         

      • will not buy UD

        I guess UD has already calculated their loss in the west and gains in China. They go to China only because the potential market is huge and they are going to make a big profit there. Otherwise, there are dozens of countries require animal testing, why don’t UD pick them as battlefields?
         
        Actually, there are lots of European, American, Asian brands availalbe in China. No one forces  them to go in. We do have people truely care about animals and fight for their rights. If UD really want to help, just stay away from China until we fix the rules.
         
        Someone has already translated this statement into Chinese, put it on weibo (Chinese version of twitter) and asks Chinese do not buy their product. I will never buy UD for the two reasons: 1) UD should stick to their ethics even though it is just their marketing tool. 2) They should not do business with Chinese while saying we suck behind our back.

    • will not buy UD

      I guess UD has already calculated their loss in the west and gains in China. They go to China only because the potential market is huge and they are going to make a big profit there. Otherwise, there are dozens of countries require animal testing, why don’t UD pick them as battlefields?
       
      Someone has already translated this statement into Chinese, put it on weibo (Chinese version of twitter) and asks Chinese do not buy their product. I will never buy UD for the two reasons: 1) UD should stick to their ethics even though it is just their marketing tool. 2) They should not do business with us Chinese while saying we suck behind our back.

    • Jax

      @angelbella203, it’s most likely UD considered China’s growing middle class to be a far safer market than the declining West economies. A bunch of dicks in management made this “strategic” decision with no regard for current customers, only their bottom line and profits matter. The only action they will understand is a complete boycott – spread the word!

      • Avatar of Carla CNo64

        @Jax – Good point.  I’m somewhat naive, but I’m NOT stupid. All this lofty-sounding talk about “bringing about change from within” is just “market-ese that they hope we’ll swallow, because they don’t want to come right out and say, “We’re going to expand into China, because there’s money to be made. It means ditching some of our much-touted “principles,” and will alienate many loyal customers to whom those principles are very important, but so what? We’ll cry all the way to the bank. So long, suckers; thanks for many years of misplaced trust, loyalty, and respect!”Not that I am cynical … ;)

    • Rita

      Unfortunately, this is all about the money. If we stop using their products but the whole China will use them – nothing will help. They will have millions and they don’t care if you are using it or not. They will lost some customers, they knew about it and they calculated all possible losses and they know it’s nothing compare to the profit they’ll have in China.. So sad….

  43. iggybiggy

     You’re a hypocritical company and your whole “premise” (if you can even call it that) for going to China is both ironic and NOT well thought out. You saw dollar signs and you ran after them. I’ve lost all respect for you, you’re in the same league as dog-fighters, inhumane-for-profit factory farmers, etc etc. ONE OF THE MOST REPREHENSIBLE, SHAMEFUL COMPANIES EVER! I’m sickened to think I bought so much of your products for you to only stab me in the back 

    • BrittanyForbes

      . Animal testing is terrible, yes, but the “most reprehensible, shameful companies ever”?
      Honey, let’s go to Wall Street for a minute. Bank of America forecloses on homes THEY DON’T EVEN OWN.
      Or, you imply all throughout time. Let’s travel back to World War II, where many German companies (some that you still use today, such as Volkswagen, IBM) created products to help the Nazis.
      Or, let’s go back even further, to the early 1900s, when many companies would have child employees working all day and all night for hardly any food, and would let their employees be KILLED for joining a union.

      • Avatar of Carla CNo64

         @BrittanyForbes Many of us weren’t around at the time of some of the incidents you cited, or are unaware of them now.We can only protest against injustices that we’re aware of,  and I HEARTILY  applaud Temptalia for making us aware, so that we can act!

      • Avatar of Carla CNo64

         @BrittanyForbes http://www.change.org/petitions/urban-decay-refuse-animal-testing-in-china

      • iggybiggy

         @BrittanyForbes I agree on what you say thats why I said “ONE OF THE MOST…” not the absolute the most :)

  44. iggybiggy

    Also don’t you think you could actually get the whole point of cruelty-free and anti animal testing by NOT going to China? If they really wanted your products but you don’t allow it per their animal testing it would cause demand for them and a greater urgency for change, like i said before you’re hypocrites after money, none of your arguments make sense

  45. Jax

    Looks like I won’t be purchasing any more UD. All my customers will know about this by week end. Cheerio and good luck with china… You’ll need it.

  46. zeldafitz

    anybody (including christine) know of a cruelty-free dupe for their supersaturated lipcolor in lovechild?  or cruelty-free shadows that can be fit in the DIY palette (I just bought one recently and have yet to fill it all the way!)?

    • Avatar of Ricky blauriche

      I don’t know if they’ll fit in that case, but you could look into Inglot’s freedom system. I don’t think they have stores everywhere, but in some of the major cities. There is a decent website though.

      • Avatar of Carla CNo64

         @blauriche I agree that Inglot’s eyeshadows are a GREAT alternative to the ones offered by Urban Betray – I mean, Decay.I like matte shadows, and while I’m forced to admit that UD’s *are* excellent, Inglot’s are even better, less expensive, and come in a much wider selection of shades.
         

        •  @CNo64  @blauriche ARg Inglot is SO AWESOME. Everyone raves about their shadows (and rightly so) but their other cosmetics are great and don’t get the attention they deserve (from what I’ve seen, at least).  I have my eye on their liquid concealer (don’t remember if that’s the right name for it– it’s the one that comes in a tube)– it’s significantly less expensive and possibly more pigmented than the one I currently use (Kat Von D’s tattoo concealer).  

  47. IlariaManzoni

    just for money… :(

    • Avatar of Carla CNo64

       @IlariaManzoni It really *is* disappointing that UD has sold out.I think they’d do far, FAR better to maintain their long-standing cruelty-free policy, and concentrate on giving their fiercely loyal American customers the products they want.We all know that American women are going to find a way to buy the makeup they love, regardless of how the economy goes.

  48. KussyNette

    I think you should have told them : you want my dope ? take it as it is, period !
    To apologize and explain isnt worth it, you guys are wrong, you lost all your labels and you start dealing with a fucked up system, all wrong and very disapointing …

  49. Suselew

    Urban Decay has pulled off their statement off their website.  Obviously, they cannot stand the heat and their poorly written and poorly executed statement was not believed or well-received by their thousands of dedicated customers.  So is Wende going to subject herself now to that live meeting? I bet not.

  50. Avatar of Carla CNo64

    I just wrote a very to-the-point but dignified e-mail to Urban Decay, requesting that the account  I created several years ago at UrbanDecay.com be removed, because I no longer wish to do business with them.We’ll see what kind of response I get

  51. Lovetwins89

    ” The government has not told us if they have exercised this right with our products. So, our brand does not test on animals, but the Chinese government might conduct a one-time test using our products.”
     
    Bull. In order to sell in China, the products MUST be tested on animals.
     
    “But we don’t stand to turn a profit in China for quite a while, partially because the market isn’t quite ready to sustain an untraditional brand like ours.”
     
    Bull. Urban Decay is not ultratraditional.

  52. well, you have the right to do what you want, but surely not with my money

  53. jackiie

    pourquoi tester sur les animaux ? quand on sait que la chine récupère le collagène des personnes mortes après avoir été condamnées à mort par le gourvernement , c’est  nous prendre pour des idiots car le collagène d’un être humain est source de contamination pour ceux qui utiliseront ce cosmétique.
    Donc il est inutile de prendre les animaux comme cobaye car le collagène des personnes mortes est , de toute façon, insalubre et dégoûtant et les animaux ne peuvent pas prédire la réponse pour les gens qui l’utiliseront. Vous êtes des falsificateurs, des manipulateurs et des menteurs. RIEN  ne vous oblige à aller en chine, ce pays est pourri et cruel avec les animaux et vous le savez parfaitement mais vous feignez de ne pas être concernés par leurs tests sur l’animal en nous racontant qu’il ne vous est pas possible de vérifier si la chine ne fera pas d’expériences sur ces pauvres bêtes.  MENTEURS.  VOS PRODUITS NE SERONT PAS CHEZ MOI.

  54. jackiie

    why test on animals? when we know that China gets the collagen people died after being sentenced to death by the Governement is taking us for idiots, because collagen is a human source of contamination for those who use this cosmetic. So there is no need to take the animal as a guinea pig because the collagen is dead people, anyway, unsanitary and disgusting and the animals can not predict the response to people who use it. You are falsifiers, manipulators and liars. NOTHING requires you to go in China, this country is rotten and cruel to the animals and you well know but you pretend not to be concerned about their animal testing by telling you that it is not possible to check whether the machine will not experience on these poor animals. LIARS. YOUR PRODUCTS ARE NOT HOME.

  55. UD was one of my favorite companies to buy makeup from. I was so excited to have found a company that sold cruelty free makeup that was amazing and solid. Now that they are outsourcing to China and their products are going to be tested on animals, I will no longer buy their products, just like many many consumers of UD products. Karmas a bitch. China wont change their ways, so its a selfish decision. Goodluck…

  56. MaggieSchafer

    There are plenty of alternatives to products being tested on animals.  Many companies are getting on board with cruelty free.  Simply look at the labels – the demand is even gotten P&G to go cruelty free!  That is huge.   I try to find alternative to anything made in China or not purchase it unless I cannot do without it.  I am a vegetarian, do not use fur – I have even walked out of stores in Estes Park, CO, because they are displaying fur or trophy  heads.  And, China is not the only country that treats animals despicably. Look at the slaughter of wolves going on in Montana, Idaho, soon Wyoming and Minnesota.  They shoot pups with bows and arrows, trap and snare wolves and while they are dying, these hunters abuse and torture them.  AND, post it all over fb and other social networks.  Idaho is going to use live bait  - dogs!  So, from the reports and pictures of I have seen, UD is mild!  If you want to do something, boycott these states!

  57. CHRIS 2018

    You have choice: Money or giving up Chinese market. No one puts gun on your head to force you step in a country doing animal test. When you choose Chinese market, you trade your conscience for money. You no longer have the right talking about conscience, right, belief, blah, blah, blah….. oh~ Money or face, you can only choose one, right?. Want both?  hypocrisy ~~~ Either abandon Chinese money, or shut up, do your business. 

  58. CHRIS 2018

    Yeh~ Urban decay comes to China and fights for animal right. They are definitely not for money, they are soldiers of liberty and justice. 

  59. donna 1

    yeah you have a right to do what you want buy you wont be getting my money anymore i will stick with companys that put compassion over profit ,shame on you